With the ice being in the arena only about 5 months of the year, this sounds like quite a posh job for a non-citizen (H-2B Visa)! There has got to be a local in the area capable of giving this club what they need without paying for a work visa on top of $25,290! I'm no skating expert but the job requirements seem to be pretty high and after seeing the last ice show, I doubt anyone performs at anything close to these levels in this club. How can a club of approximatley 100 kids afford this? I bet you see them at your door soon with fundraising items!!! Knock, knock, wanna buy a holiday wreath to pay for my coaches visa?
BELOW IS THE ACTUAL AD POSTED IN THE CLASSIFIEDS AND WWW.MNWORKS.ORG
The International Falls Figure Skating Club seeks a Figure Skating Coach for its 2009-2010 season, October 1, 2009 - April 15, 2010. This is a full-time (at least 30 hours/week), seasonal, and temporary position. Wage is $25,490 (annual) / $12.25 per hour. Skating lessons are held at Bronco Arena in International Falls, MN. This ad is being placed in conjunction with an H-2B Temporary Labor Certification Application. Requirements: 1. 48 months of senior level coaching experience; 2. Ability to teach pre-gold dance, junior free skate, and junior moves in the field of skating skills; 3. Expertise in free skate, senior moves in the field, pre-gold dance, intermediate power-skating/stroking in accordance with US Figure Skating standards; 4. Ability to choreograph free skate and compulsory senior programs at regional competition level; 5. Documented skating skills at the gold dance, junior free skate, and senior moves in the field levels; 6. Knowledge of USFSA standards; 7. Availability to travel with the skaters and regional competitions; 8. Experience teaching both individual and group lessons; and 9. Available to teach during weekends and before/after school hours (due to variable ice times). Send resume and credentials/testing papers to apply. Deadline to apply is June 13, 2009


Ever deal with skater...
Back to page topEver deal with skater parents? $12.25/hr doesn't pay for the anguish.
Your missing the boat...
Back to page topYour missing the boat IFallsRon, it's minimum $12.25/hr., but the work only lasts for 5 months...why is the person getting paid $12.25 for the 7 other months when there is no ice to work on? The numbers don't add up! Sounds like Immigration should peep their heads in on this one.
WOW that is a crazy amount...
Back to page topWOW that is a crazy amount of $ to spend on a gamble of a work visa! it's not even a gaurantee. and the qualifications? come on, are they going to the Olympics after they graduate? I attended the ice show last year and I must say...I WANT MY MONEY BACK! Same routines over and over. If this coach is the one that put on the ice show this year, heck I wouldn't pay for her services. Very uninteresting ice show and not worth the amount I paid for my whole family to attend. BOGUS! I just can't believe it, maybe I should become a FS coach.
I think it's safe to assume...
Back to page topI think it's safe to assume that the job is paid for only 6 1/2 months and not year round. According to visa rules, an international can only work and be paid during the date stipulated on his/her visa.
If a qualified American is interested and applies, then they will get this job. The Department of Labor requires that employers specifically document how/why each applicant does not meet the qualifications, and the employer is required to hire any American who does (and they would save a lot of money since it's not cheap to file with Immigration for foreign workers). Probably the arena has a tough time filling this position locally due to the temporary nature of the position, the early/late hours and travel involved and necessary credentials (and dealing with parents who find the routines monotonous). If so, then hiring an international is not stealing a job from an American, but providing American children opportunities to become better skaters/performers that they otherwise wouldn't have.
The arena may already have an international in mind, which takes away some of the gamble of offering a work visa.
MaineMan, Correct me if I am...
Back to page topMaineMan,
Correct me if I am wrong but the employer is required to fill the job based on who is qualified to complete the current job skills? Someone who is overly qualified is not what they need at this point if it costs all the money to file with immigration plus lawyers fees. It would be nice to have someone with high qualifications but if those qualifications are not needed at this time due to skaters skill level than they are basically tailoring there NEED for that type of experiance. As we all know, most of the time a candidate does not posses ALL the skill sets that the employer requests but they hire who can likely complete the tasks at hand. And YES IT IS A GAMBLE because the H-2B visa is not a for sure thing. They only allow rougly 66,000 per year. Just ask them how it worked out for them last year after paying all the money to file and pay lawyers and it was DENIED! If that wasn't a waste of club money than what is? And guess what...the club still had a coach that was able to complete the job!
If there is an International...
Back to page topIf there is an International in mind, then why is there an ad? unless something is trying to be covered here (like need ad for visa requirements) and yes it IS a gamble since being approved for a US work visa is NOT a gaurentee. So this raises a question for me, if you hire a non US citizen that doesn't have a work visa, who is paying for this visa? If I had children in figure skating, this is a HUGE question I would be asking. Are they, who ever they are, using the funds of the skating club or what ever it is called to pay for this? OR are the parents who put these children in the club paying extra for this visa, if that happens to be the case in the long run, and they just don't know it? This all sounds pretty fishy to me as that is a whole heck of a lot of money for a non profit organization to be paying for ONE coach. My opinion, parents of skaters need to question and get involved in this one.
My first comment is to...
Back to page topMy first comment is to IFALLSRON. As a skater parent, I resent that he/she feels someone might need to make more than $12 per hour to deal with me. I think IFALLSRON misread what the point ss vet was trying to make us aware of. I think $25000 is very good money for a job that starts October 1 and ends April 15. Is that not $1000 a week? And has anyone in International Falls ever start skating that early or that late? I agree something is not right.
Do I understand this one right? My 6 year old daughter is selling candy bars - or should I say am I buying these candy bars to help pay for a visa? I do not think I like that at all. Then we were selling wreaths for this?
The job requiremnts seem like a lot. Is it that hard to teach my daughter how to stand up and skate? It looks like the job decription is for an olympic skaters coach. The skaters that I saw at the ice show were no where near that. Sorry to the skaters for saying that but when I skated there was a lot of very good skaters. I skated when I was young and there was a couple coaches from Canada. Did they need to get this H2-B for all of them? If that is what has been going on I think the money would add up to quite a bit of cash spent on this.
skatermom, I suggest you...
Back to page topskatermom,
I suggest you check out the local club website and contact them with your concerns about why there is a need for this. After all you are a member this non-profit organiazation if your child is a participant and that makes you what sums up to be a co-owner. In my eyes they should have talked to all the members before making a large financial decision such as this.
http://www.iffsc.org/board.html
How big of financial...
Back to page topHow big of financial decision is this? What do you mean I am a co-owner? Do you mean I own part of the skating club?
skatermom, The financial...
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The financial decision all depends on how much paperwork the club has to file, if they hire a lawyer to represent them, and of course how long the process takes are all factors. According the MN Attorney General website this non-profit club spent $4,919 in Fiscal Year 07 for legal fees alone. http://www.ag.state.mn.us/charities/SearchResults2.asp?Fed=411434826&Yr=... I dont know if that includes the cost to file immigration paperwork or not. By co-owner I mean you invest into the club by paying dues to belong and that is how coaches are paid, bills are paid, and etc. So yes you are technically a co-owner of sorts as long as you pay your club dues. You would have to read the organizations bylaws to see how they are required to operate. Most organizations require about 15% to 20% of the total number members to vote on a decision such as this before they act on it.
I looked at the web site...
Back to page topI looked at the web site that you talked about. I think the newspaper should investigate this for the people of International Falls. I hope more people are looking atthis information.
No one still has answered my question , how much qualification does it take to teach the kids to stamd up and skate? Still seems like a lot of wasted money.
Dear SS_Vet, I'd like to say...
Back to page topDear SS_Vet,
I'd like to say as a member of the IFFSC and a skater that this hurts me that you would say such things about this club. I would absolutely love to see you teach girls to do axels and flips and spins. And as you said yourself, you're not a skating expert.
And as for your that the fundraising issue your having, don't all kid's organizations fundraise? Last I checked almost every one did. Cross country and track sell cookie dough, hockey sells butterbraids and raffle tickets, baseball and track sells their time to do odd jobs for the town and you're calling out the figure skating club? If you have something against fundraising, don't answer your door when they come to it. Or find your manners and say no thank you. That always works.
What do you have against us? All we ever did was put on ice shows and exhibitions for the public and try to become better figure skaters. If you're going to put down this club, that's not gonna happen.
We worked so hard for that ice show. How dare you. How dare you put down that ice show. It was the hardest year for all of us and you dare put down the ice show we worked so hard for. That was our best ice show ever and my favorite. I can't even believe you're that kind of a person. That's kinda sad to tell you the truth. You should be ashamed of yourself. Get a life.
sk8ergirl_2013, I have...
Back to page topsk8ergirl_2013,
I have nothing against the skaters at all and thought the show has been much better in past years, sorry you don't like that, but everyone gets an opinion and that is mine. It would be the very crooked board of directors that try to organize the club and cheats the unknowing parents out of their money to try to hire someone who is not needed for that kind of money. If this non citizen loves to coach and is so great, than why are they over here trying to coach instead of in their native land and why do they not pay their own visa? And a board who either does not have or chooses not to follow written policy except when it favors their skater. With that I have nothing against fund raising except when it is not needed such as in this case. If the club didn't have $5,000 in legal fees each year, you skaters wouldn't have to go out and fund raise. Last I seen the club has about $24,975 in the bank, WHY?? It is a NON-PROFIT organization.
SS_Vet, I'm not going to...
Back to page topSS_Vet,
I'm not going to argue with you on this and I'm not going to reply on any of your questions.. I can't take controversey. I honestly think that you should step back and since you're probably not on the IFFSC board, let what's happening, happen. It's not really any of your beeswax anyway. I think you're jealous of this coach that is making so much money because maybe you're not being paid as much at your job. How do you even know this? You're not on the board and you definitely shouldn't be saying who is getting what salary. You can talk about your salary if you wish, but not other people's salaries. And putting it on the internet makes it 100 times worse.
To all the people who have commented on this blog,
How do you even know that SS_Vet is telling the truth? And my suggestion is get a life. People who actually have time to do this kind of stuff obviously don't have a life. Sorry, but it's just my thoughts.
SS Uh oh oooo!! slammed by...
Back to page topSS Uh oh oooo!! slammed by a person of an age less than sixteen, How do you feel about that?
Actually, this wage...
Back to page topActually, this wage information was posted on the internet BY the board of the IFFSC in their advertisment. SS_Vet merely expressed his opinions on it, which he is entitled to, as we all are. More importantly, this situation IS the "beeswax" of all members of the IFFSC - it is their money that is being spent. The IFFSC is a non-profit organization whose financial information, income AND expenditures, must be made available to it's membership and filed as a matter of public record with the MN State Attorney General's Office. It's membership as a whole is, in fact, the "employer" of any skating coach hired. If an individual chooses to work for a non-profit organization they should realize they do NOT have the same expectation of privacy for wage and benefit information that they would in the private sector.
I have researched the items mentioned in this blog - and I, too, question the need to spend this type of money on a coach given the current economic climate. The most highly paid coach in our own school district makes less that $7,000 per season. Football, for example, runs roughly 3 months. Skating runs 5 months. Even IF you doubled that wage, it would still be about $10,000 LESS that what this club is offering to pay a coach.
sk8ergirl_2013, your passion is admirable, however you are wrong. People who take the time to question these things don't need to "get a life" - they have one. They are caring, interested adults who want their children, grandchildren, friends and neighbors children, to experience everything that you have already been experiencing in skating. They want IFFSC to be finacially sound and sustained for years to come. They want the club to be here if the day comes that you have child that wants to be a figure skater. It won't happen just because - it will only happen BECAUSE of folks like SS_Vet, skatermom, and Wing_man22.
dlspry, Okay Well excuse...
Back to page topdlspry,
Okay Well excuse me. I never said SS_Vet wasn't entitled to his/her own opinion, it's just that their opinion is stupid. But is SS_Vet a member of the IFFSC? If he/she is, they shouldn't be putting down the club. And I totally understand that you wanna talk all financial and all that fun jazz, but if you haven't noticed, I'm a kid and I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Call me dumb or stupid or whatever you want, but could you break it down a little for me?
Okay, but where exactly do you work? I honestly don't wanna know. But the thing is, do you and SS_Vet have all the facts? Maybe you should try to find out them all before you start putting down the club.
I'm not wrong. I know that I'm not wrong. You guys are not seeing the whole picture with this issue. You're the one who is wrong and so is everybody else in this bloggy thing who is putting down IFFSC. People who actually have time to sit down at a computer and blog don't have a life. Or a good one anyway. And don't write back and tell me to take my own advice because as a kid, I shouldn't be allowed to have a good life. I don't doubt that these people are caring and interested, but they are also ignorant to the whole picture and they're also very mean and rude. Especially SS_Vet. And I doubt that that's what they want. Maybe that's what you think they want, but have you actually talked to these people? I never said that it would happen just because, but it WON'T happen because of people like SS_Vet, skatermom, and Wingman_22. And who said I'm still gonna be in this place when I have children?
And by the way, I really don't appreciate you putting phrases and words I write in quotes. And I really am starting to get sick of all you people putting down what i work so hard for every single year. It makes me absolutely and postively naseous.
sk8ergirl_2013, Please share...
Back to page topsk8ergirl_2013,
Please share with the rest of us the "whole picture" as you put it - apparently you believe yourself to be in possession of information that has not been brought to light in this issue. You seem to feel strongly that others opinions are stupid, that we don't have all the facts. This must mean that you know things we do not. I, for one, welcome all new information on this issue. No one is putting down you or the IFFSC- they are merely questioning decisions and procedures as is their right to. After all we are citizens of a very wonderful country, the United States of America, where we enjoy the freedom of speech, written and spoken. Name calling, and being disrespectful of others opinions and beliefs, is inappropriate and immature - no matter your chronological age. I disagree with your presentation but look forward to any further real information regarding this issue you'd like to provide. If you don't understand pertinent "financial and all that fun jazz" facts, I would be most happy to discuss them with you.
This conversation is being...
Back to page topThis conversation is being closed due to non-productivity and a turn to a personal attacking nature.