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- Tuesday, January 6, 2009 - 6:00am
Why the Berg lawsuit on Barack Obama's Birth Certificate is legitimate
Submitted by Schmitty53 on November 29, 2008 - 7:40am.
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Does this Barack Obama birth certificate issue bug you because, although improbable, it's possible that he's not a natural born citizen, isn't eligible to be President under the Constitution, and this issue could be bigger than Watergate.... or any other "gate" in history?
Are you afraid that if you were even to raise the subject with your friends that they will think you wear a tinfoil hat, because Factcheck.org, owned by Annenburg (who's board Obama served on along with Bill Ayers) the final arbiter of truth in the universe, said so?
HE IS NOT A NATURAL U.S.A BORN
OTHERWISE HE WOULD HAVE HAD IT SHOWN ALREADY
We do not have a legitimate President as of yet. Sen. Barrack Hussein Obama is being sued in several different courts across America with two lawsuits in the United States Supreme Court requesting he present us with his valid "vaulted birth certificate."
This request by the American public to see his birth certificate is normal and does not cause the average American to hire three different law firms to keep him from doing so. If he is an American citizen, why all the drama, just show us the birth certificate.
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If he does not have a legitimate one and is not an American citizen, then he has perpetrated an indictable fraud upon the American people with his senate and presidential campaigns.
Every legal American can in a blink of an eye produce a legitimate birth certificate. Why does he need three, three high priced law firms to keep him from showing us his?
If you care or are interested, go to the link below and see the full page Ad taken out by Berg in the Washington Times weekly. Watch the video that shows the how and why his website only version of his certificate of live birth is a fake. Then scroll down and watch Bergs speech from outside the US Supreme Court building. You can also sign a (real) petition there if you'd like to get involved.
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Back to page topYou might want to check out snope.com on this one: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
Generally, snopes is not politically compromised.
Then tell me why Obama and...
Back to page topThen tell me why Obama and the DNC keep filing counter suits instead of just producing the document. As Mr. Berg has stated more than once, show it, and it all stops and goes away. Remember Mr. Berg himself is a life long Democrat also, who was the Asst. Attorney General of Pennsylvania at one time. Also his college records have been sealed away, why? Could it be at the time he filled out his admission papers he had no idea at that time he would be running for any office and he put his place of birth on them? Why wasn't Bergs action stopped by producing the document before the case made it to the US Supreme Court? Maybe you can ask snopes.com for all of us Tom, why this suit is taking so long.
Let me ask you Tom, if...
Back to page topLet me ask you Tom, if someone legally challenged you on your legal citizenship what would you do. (A) Produce your vault copy Birth Certificate and quickly end the challenge or (B) Hire attorney's to represent you in an attempt to dodge it.
It's been about 13 weeks now. When the DNC challenged Senator McCain on the same issue because his birth was in Panama, he produced his in 2 days and abruptly ended the challenge.
Obama an illegal?! Boy, oh...
Back to page topObama an illegal?! Boy, oh boy, this is the stomping ground of conspiracy nuts, isn't it? How could you think our government could lie to us like that, Schmitty? They're here for the benefit of you and me. They love us. We elected them. Why do you think our government would be hiding something? They're 100% trustworthy and always have been, because this is America, that's who we are and truth is what we do!
USA! USA! USA!
Go back to your little conspiracy hole with the tinfoil hat and your 9/11 "troofer" friends, Schmitty. This is AMERICA, traitor! Love it or LEAVE IT!!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!! YES WE CAN!! DRILL BABY DRILL!! FAIR AND BALANCED!! CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!! KILL ISLAMOFASCISTS!! GOD BLESS THE USA!! CONSPIRACIES DON'T EXIST!! EVER!!
"The Spoon" has spoken!!!!...
Back to page top"The Spoon" has spoken!!!!
The thing that stands out...
Back to page topThe thing that stands out (hilariously) most about Joespoons above comment is that he started off using the word "nuts" to describe someone other than himself. And then finished by proving who is. Lucky for you Joespoon04, Jackpine04, Servo that when you finally get to your wits end you'll find God lives there too.
Blessings
All I'm saying, Schmitty, is...
Back to page topAll I'm saying, Schmitty, is that if Obama isn't a natural-born citizen, then that means FOX News is complicit in the cover-up. To recognize that FOX News and the GOP are liars would make my head explode. I can't deal with a reality in which my shiny-lipped morning TV friends and my political God-clusters are lying to me! I couldn't deal with the reprecussions if he wasn't. My ego and my left/right paradigm couldn't understand a system THAT evil and dishonest.
Therefore, Obama is totally legit and you're a conspiracy theorist.
I have no problem with you...
Back to page topI have no problem with you calling me a conspiracy theorist Joe. Funny thing about conspiracy theory's though, as someone once said....sometimes they are true. I have little faith and hardly no trust of those in government at the federal level today, especially with so many of them being lawyers. I do pray for this nation and it's leaders though, in hope they will do what's honest and best for all. I personally think Obama is one of the shadiest characters this country has ever seen based on his past and those he's been connected to. I just can't get past the fact they haven't said.... here it is Mr. Berg and just ended it and put it to bed.
Blessings
FOX News and my man, Bill...
Back to page topFOX News and my man, Bill O'Reilly aren't covering it, so guess what? It's a lie believed only by nuts. O'Reilly is the only guy on TV we can trust. He calls it like it is, and he's a good Catholic boy, so his heart is ALWAYS in the right place and he's on the side of God. Therefore, God hasn't given his blessing to this conspiracy nut idea that Obama isn't qualified. PERIOD.
(Have I pegged out yet?)
Too many ways to go here...
Back to page topToo many ways to go here with you Joey, so I'll just say goodnight, sleep tight...you know the rest.
Blessings
Obama citizenship deniers...
Back to page topObama citizenship deniers share much with their intellectual cousins, holocaust deniers. First you make up your mind based on your personal opinions and political agenda and then head out to find facts that backfill your position. The internet is truly made for this. Anything that supports your position, to matter how biased or irrelevant the source, is new found truth and anything that denies it is rubbish, no matter how substantial or universally accepted is the source.
Remember Ronald Reagan? You right wing guys all liked him as I recall. He palled around with a fellow right wing conservative and billionaire, Walter Annenberg. In Annenberg's later years he was very philanthropical and created, among other things, the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the Univ. of PA. Their stated mission:
"The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels.
The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation."
When asked to fact check the Obama birth certificate issue, they concluded:
"The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A."
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Now this does not exactly fit your view of reality does it?
So go ahead and disrespect the legacy of Ronald Reagan and his best friend.
In the meantime repeat after me:
President Barack Hussein Obama
Your President and mine.
There is something very...
Back to page topThere is something very frightening to some about this president-elect that is being nicely demonstrated by the persistence of this issue in the "two standard deviations away from normal" blogging public. So far as I can determine 100% of the Barack deniers are white males of the Larry the Cable Guy demographic. So when bayside goes to Factcheck and shows the birth certificate left, right, and center, they can't accept it because they can't accept Barack Obama because they can't believe that he got elected in their version of America. And you kind of have to feel for the poor guys. Imagine having to live in a world where, as joe so eloquently said, even Billo the Clown isn't doubting what they doubt. One thing we all know to be true; Santa Claus is really from the North Pole and norpole has seen the birth certificates to prove it. There are at least some things we can count on. [Bad news - - Santa is Inuit like most of the people from the far north]
With 17 lawsuits in 12...
Back to page topWith 17 lawsuits in 12 states currently in progress challenging Obama on the issue of his birth, makes the statement "two standard deviations away from normal" blogging public, sound generalizing and weak at best.
And then this statement: "So far as I can determine 100% of the Barack deniers are white males of the Larry the Cable Guy demographic." One of the lawsuits was filed by Alan Keyes a Republican who is black and was a Presidential candidate in the 2008 election. And then there's a video here...
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/178233.html that shows a group of protesters that don't quite appear to fit your description or demographic. And there's plenty more out there if you do the research. Just how did you determine that 100% by the way professor?
As for factcheck.org, a website which for some is the final truth in the universe, I would ask....have they ever been proved wrong? Yes they have, that info is available. And most of us know that Obama and Ayers served together on an Annenberg board and that Annenberg owns factcheck.org. We've never seen a conflict of interest surrounding elected officials and others before, have we? Do I know there was one, no. Do I know there wasn't one, no. Is it a possibility? You decide. Your opinion and the opinion of most of his supporters appears to be that Obama's eligibility is not a legitimate issue for rational people and it's just sour grapes from people ( white males of the Larry the Cable Guy demographic) who won't except that he's been elected. It couldn't possibly be a larger issue called our Constitution and people that are committed to making sure it's upheld for everyone today and for our future could it? What's wrong with wanting to know the truth? What's wrong with wanting verification of an elected officials citizenship? Nothing that I can see, and I hope that right is never jeopardized now or in the future. You have no questions yourself when instead of offering proof other than a website only counter suits have followed. I would think knowing your intelligence level that some form of a red flag even a small one might have gone up, but you really have no doubts at all when counter suits instead of proof are filed? My only wish is that he comes forward with the proof he is being asked for and this can finally be put to rest and we can all move on. Just what is wrong with that?
Ok Schmitty, lets pretend...
Back to page topOk Schmitty, lets pretend it's you that must prove your citizenship.
What are you going to do? As I posted elsewhere, you are going down to the courthouse in your county of birth and ask for an authorized copy of your birth certificate. You pay your ten bucks and off you go to get your passport or whatever else you need. That is how it is done in this country. And that is what Obama did and that is the document the campaign cheerfully produced that you reject.
Why the double standard for Obama? Why, if it's good enough for you when you need to prove citizenship is it not good enough for him to prove his citizenship?
As for Alan Keyes, I would generously put him 3 standard deviations away from the mean: line up 10,000 people and Alan is off to the side with 27 other kooks. And he's a kook with a motive, given his failed Senate race against Obama.
Ok bayside, I'll play along...
Back to page topOk bayside, I'll play along with your scenario and pretend. So after I leave the courthouse with a copy of my vault Certificate of Birth, would I then give it to a website to post a picture of it, or to my attorney who's representing me in a lawsuit who then could end the suit by showing it to the lawyer who filed the suit for verification? I believe that is how it's done in this country. Let me ask you bayside, why the counter suits by Obama and the DNC, instead of turning over that same copy posted on a website? From supporters here we have the demographic theory of 100% white guys like Larry the Cable Guy, the tinfoil hat theory, the conspiracy theory and now it's the 27 other kooks theory. And all that's needed by them is a scanned copy which is only an image on a website as proof positive, and not one answer yet by one of them as to why the counter suits were filed.
An Open Letter to Barack...
Back to page topAn Open Letter to Barack Obama
from: "We The People Foundation"
Dated: December 1, 2008
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_R-l1iejogZw/STTPTiwOS9I/AAAAAAAABqI/BaaRCGMxZd...
Barack Hussein Obama is the...
Back to page topBarack Hussein Obama is the legally elected President of the United States of America. He won handily over his Republican opponent, John McCain. No amount of blogging will undo the election. The only responsible thing we can do as Americans is to support our newly elected President solve the problems and maintain, sustain and fortify the country as we are duty bound to do. Now then, Russia has a great presidential system that allows a KGB chief run the country and then install his hand picked stooge as his replacement. We should be so glad that we have the blessings and the choices we do. A lot of you have served in the military to provide these options. Thank you for your service and to everyone else, God Bless America!
Norpole, there was never a...
Back to page topNorpole, there was never a choice in this thing. It was a false choice; the illusion of choice. We all voted for Bush again, because that's what the petro-techno-financial powers behind the White House wanted.
As a "for instance," Obama, touting an dove-ish stance on the campaign trail, has just appointed to his staff all the neocon, neolib hawks in Washington D.C. and firmly planted himself in a war footing where terrorist attacks in India are an insult to his global authority.
"Supporting the President" is merely supporting the agenda of the unelected puppetmasters behind him. Surely you can see that we NOW live in a false democracy where all the dull-eyed, flag-waving zombies merely emphasize the elitists' point that Americans don't deserve freedom because they're unable to realize they're in a cage.
Go back to watching your mainstream media and thinking those are the conversations thoughtful Americans had over their Thanksgiving holiday. The authentically thoughtful were talking about how Lindsay Williams' ABSURD July prediction of $50 oil was right on the money, and what that means for the authenticity of alternative media as well as the reality of a ruling global elite who direct the course of civilizations. The intellectually curious were talking about where to buy bulk food and how to grow the best gardens. The financially concerned talked about the movements in the gold and silver markets and the financial meltdown that's sucking the world into receivership. And some of us talked about how terrorist acts kill about 1,000 people a year, GLOBALLY, and how the cost-benefit analytics totally invalidate the War on Terror as a legitimate war when 800,000 Americans per year die from medical mistakes, 50,000/year die in auto crashes, over 500,000 die every year from cancer.
The life most Americans live is one of myopia and outright blindness. There is little truth coming from the shiny-lipped and strong-jawed talking heads on television when they talk about how great a nation America is. We are FAILING. We are DYING. And it is because of our lack of curiosity that these things are happening. Meanwhile, the Bill of Rights is in tatters, 20,000 soldiers will be deployed on American streets by 2011, and a Bush clone has attained the Presidency because he was supposed to.
You can do whatever you want, but I'm not going to keep feeding my energy into the Matrix. I think any REAL patriot should wake up and smell the stink of the real world.
Just curious, how far back...
Back to page topJust curious, how far back do you believe we need to go to get to a point where you would hold an optimistic view of life in the USA? 1960? 1950? 1920? 1776?
Is there anyway that I can be happy and optimistic and not blind? Throw me a lifeline here.
I agree completely on the use of terror as a phony threat to our security. More people will die of Radon gas posioning from sitting in their basements than terrorist attack in any year, including 2001.
Bayside, I don't know how...
Back to page topBayside, I don't know how far back in time America would have to go before things could be seen as perfect. I think it's probably an illusory ideal since human weakness and human corruption is as timeless as the rising and setting sun.
On the optimism issue, you can be optimistic about acquiring storable food and guns and ammo. I would imagine that once you get into it, it's quite a calming, pleasant feeling of personal security.
Thank you for understanding the difference in the death rates from terrorism versus other forms of death. It's AMAZING how blind people can be in that regard, and it totally makes me lose respect for them if they can't concede the most simple, provable points. It's like teaching a dog Chinese. It makes me think I'm a different species sometimes. And these people can VOTE! Scary, huh?
Just curious, how far back...
Back to page topJust curious, how far back do you believe we need to go to get to a point where you would hold an optimistic view of life in the USA? 1960? 1950? 1920? 1776?
Is there anyway that I can be happy and optimistic and not blind? Throw me a lifeline here.
I agree completely on the use of terror as a phony threat to our security. More people will die of Radon gas posioning from sitting in their basements than terrorist attack in any year, including 2001.
Bayside, I'm glad you are...
Back to page topBayside, I'm glad you are not in charge of security for my family.
Deserve Success
RJ1127, I'm glad you're not...
Back to page topRJ1127, I'm glad you're not in charge of anything.
When you get cancer from overdoses of FDA-approved poisons and your grandkids have leukemia and mental retardation from mercury and virus shells in the vaccines, maybe you'll revise your idea of who is in charge of your family's security from chemical weapons and biological weapons.
1,000 people/year die globally from terrorism, RJ. Do some math and get a grip. It's terrified, quivering, fearful Americans who have allowed the terrorists to win. America's bankrupt, RJ. Wake up and smell the Great Depression II.
Try punching your barren food shelf, shooting your credit card debt, or massacring your taxes. IT DOESN'T WORK!! THE TERRORISTS WON! Get over it.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
Joe, take a breath. I was...
Back to page topJoe, take a breath. I was simply replying to the statement "I agree completely on the use of terror as a phony threat to our security". To simply ignore the threats of 'whackos' who state their goal is to wipe you out would be fool hearty.
There are of course MANY threats from selfish evil-doers, including some of the economic and chemical sources you refer to.
RJ, Is your sense of...
Back to page topRJ, Is your sense of security heightened when you stop at US Customs and see 12 kevlar wearing, 9 mm carrying individuals all busy typing? Is you one of them?
The terrorists did not win on 9 11. They won by our reaction to 9 11. Stand on the mezzanine at any busy US airport and watch the insanity below you: interminable lines, little old ladies taking their shoes off, countless new bureaucarts standing around. A total drag on our nation's productivity.
Why do we spend 1000 times more to protect someone from terrorism than from any other cause of death? Reallocate the expenditures since 9 11 for Homeland Security, Iraq and Afghanistan and cancer is cured.
Know anybody personally who has died due to terrorism?
Know anybody personally who has died due to cancer?
Bayside, I didn't say, nor...
Back to page topBayside, I didn't say, nor have ever said, that our 911 response was correct. My comment was, to disregard the terrorists would be foolish. Military and security specialists are struggling on how to best and effectively respond to somebody who is willing to wear a bomb to die and kill hundreds of innocent bystanders. Surely you aren't suggesting to do nothing?
RJ, We both can possibly...
Back to page topRJ, We both can possibly agree that suicide bombers should be extremely low on the priority list for the I Falls Police Dept, Koochiching County Sheriff and MN State Patrol?
Now you can argue about preparedness; but, we still must prioritze preparedness. Number 1 should be things that have befallen us in the past. Number 2 should be things that have befallen similar communities in the region. Number 3 things that have made our radar because certain circumstances indicate a potential new threat and number 4 all else.
I would put metrorite strikes and suicide bombers in category 4 for us along with countless other random threats to our security.
Now drive around the county, peeking into various federal, state, county and municipal offices, garages and storage areas and add up what we have spent in response to 3 suicide bombings on the East coast in 2001. Multiply that by counties and states in the US.
It is way out of whack and it will take some extremely courageous politicians to undo the damage done.
I know no extremely courageous politicans.
Norpole you seem to be...
Back to page topNorpole you seem to be missing the point, Obama cannot be president if he is not a born american citizen, if he was a citizen he should have provided proof already, what we may have here is an impostor committing treason. The democratic party made a huge mistake by not validating he was a born USA citizen, The way I see it if Obama is not an American and Cannot hold office as president John McCain gets the Seat by Default since the Democrats did not have any legal person running against McCain.
When Freedom is Outlawed, Only Outlaws will be free.
Even if someone were to...
Back to page topEven if someone were to prove that Barack Obama was not a natural born citizen, that doesn't constitute treason. Article 3 of the Constitution specifically says that treason in the US shall consist only in levying war against them or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. Illegally running for president doesn't equal levying war against the country or giving aid and comfort to enemies, no matter how you try to spin it. Maybe if you try to do some weird transitive property of crazy, sure...but not in a court of law, which is where you would have to be convicted of treason.
Well Outlaw, the Republican...
Back to page topWell Outlaw, the Republican party just spent 90 million dollars trying to get their candidate elected Presdident. Now you are telling us they could have saved all that time and money if they would have just dispatched a few clerks and private investigators to Hawaii and Kenya?
Maybe this occurred to them? Maybe they did investigate this? Maybe they decided that there was no gold for them in them thar Obama citizenship hills?
Given the current ugly nature of electoral politics on both sides, I think we can be pretty sure that if there was any uncertainty of Obama's citizenship it would have been played to the max by the Republican campaign whether true or not, and not just limited to crackpot web sites like the one provided by Schmitty.
Again, I gave the web site of a respected, non-partisan, fact checking organization. They examined Obama's copy of his birth certificate with their own eyes and hands and said it was legitimate. This is the same kind of document you would produce if asked to prove your citizenship: you go down to the county courthouse and ask for an offical copy of your birth certificate and then do as you need with it: get a passport, get back into the US or prove citizenship for your planned run for President. They also spoke with the Hawaian offical who has the original in his safe keeping who also verifies its' authenticity.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, everyone is not entitled to their own facts.